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If you are a practising homosexual can you go to heaven?

mxerforchrist · Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:48 pm Post subject:

Does God Hate homosexuals? Should Christians Hate Homosexuals?

Does the Bible teach that homosexuality is okay? No, not at all -- in fact, nothing could be farther from the truth:

"You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination. (Leviticus 18:22, NNAS)

"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God." (1 Corinthians 6:9-10, NNAS)

These verses, and many more like them, support the claim that God hates homosexuality, and considers it a sinful practice. If you stop here, it would be easy to conclude that the hate-mongers are right. But, look at the very next verse:

"Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God."(1 Corinthians 6:11)

God’s Word offers the opportunity for redemption, forgiveness, and grace along with the pronouncement of judgment. God’s agenda is clear: to seek out sinners, and offer them the free gift of salvation by grace, through faith in Jesus Christ.

Does God hate homosexuality? Yes, He absolutely does.

Does God hate people who practice homosexuality? NO, HE ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT.

God loves homosexuals, and invites them to come to Him, to allow Him to wash, sanctify, and justify them, and to let Him heal them of the deep wounds in their hearts that cause them to be pulled toward homosexuality.

cyberseth · Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 11:02 pm Post subject:

It clearly shows in the Bible that God frowns upon the act of homosexuality. Perhaps the question should be rephrased:

If you are a practising sinner, will you go to heaven? (eg a practising liar, a practising thief, a practising pervert, a practising gossip)
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mxerforchrist · Posted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 11:03 pm Post subject:

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janana · Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Posts: 5 Location: Tennessee

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This is a friend of mine who used to live a gay life in San Francisco, Calif. with many partners and attempts at commitment. If you go back to early 2006 blogs or before, you'll read about his reparative therapy and growth in his spiritual life. Very insightful, thoughtful and deep. OK, fun too! Just read it and see.
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swiss · Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 1:57 pm Post subject:

a practicing homosexual....? no heaven for you

a repentent (meaning a changed, and not practicing it anymore) sinner...? heaven for you
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island · Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 1:04 pm Post subject:

i would agree but i wouldnt say God hates the practicing homosexual!
God does not hate anoyone God hates sin. He loves the practicing homosexual and his heart breaks that the person is not doing what God intended them to do. I have many christian friends that are non practising homosexuals and it is the hardest thing in the world for them. But there love for God is stronger than there own urges and desires. I feel that The practicing homosexual will get into heaven with repentance but the key thing to note is that its not the fact they are homosexual that is the sin its the action taken.
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hendo · Joined: 13 Nov 2008 Posts: 2 Location: UK

Hi! First time poster long time band listener! I'm slightly nervous about this one because I don't want to break any of the T&Cs, but it's a bit of a hot topic.

Pleasures of the flesh and carnal desires are the Devil's work, and God looks down on them as he so rightly should. God wants to promote love and joy, not pleasure and sin.
Sex before marriage, quite rightly, is wrong as well in God's eyes. Without the love of marriage it is a SIN. The important thing is the marriage, because when two people get married they love each other. The love turns a sinful act into a beautiful one.
If two homosexuals were in a loving marriage, I can't see why a loving God would have a problem with that.

"Does God hate homosexuality? Yes he absolutely does."

God doesn't hate anything. He is the Father, the source of all love, happiness and positivity. He lives in paradise. He doesn't hate. He might disapprove, or think it's sinful, but he doesn't hate. Humans hate things - you obviously hate things, but God doesn't.

Also, just because it can be quoted from the Bible doesn't mean it's true. Look at the differences between the Old and New Testaments. The Old encourages us to seek revenge and take an eye, the New tells us to turn the other cheek.
The Old Testament God is one of hate, revenge, fury and wrath. The New Testament God is one of love and redemption - He counts all these things as sins and encourages us to not let them affect us.
So which do we follow, because we can quote from both. I can quote about the merits of stoning someone to death, but I refuse to believe that it's ever justified.

We have to use our intelligence to see what is actually a fundamental principal of righteousness, and what is just a widely accepted social belief that was true 2000 years ago but isn't any longer.

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hendo · Joined: 13 Nov 2008 Posts: 2 Location: UK

Sorry which Bible do you guys read from? I read the King James translation, which says something different. It says:

LEVITICUS 20:13 "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

So I guess a lot of what we Christians believe depends on who translated whichever copy of the Bible we read. We can't kill homosexuals, but that's what the Bible tells us to do.
But different Bibles say different things, and it's all supposed to be God's word. So I think the hardest thing is to apply the teachings of Jesus to everything without taking every word literally.

I think that Swiss has it right when he says: "Look beyond the words, and see the Word"

Right on brother! RIGHT ON!